There's people coming in who've never done any politics at all, who've never been in a trade union, they've never been in a political party, they've never done anything, but they do feel a kind of urgency.

Now we are flying off into outer space, there is no clear curb on what can be done in the name of the economy.

If you cut down a forest, it doesn't matter how many sawmills you have if there are no more trees.